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SOGP base coat taking long time to come off
03-11-2012, 01:53 PM
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Hi,

The sogp is hold up extremely well, but its taking more time to get it off. I buff the top coat, wrap and let it sit for 15 minutes. Lately my sogp (base) has been very hard to remove.

One brand, the base is getting very low, but the same thing is happening with others brands which are fuller.

Any ideas as to what's happening with the base coat?

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03-11-2012, 04:31 PM
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Are you priming, using a thicker layer, adding layers like a fill instead of soaking each time, is your acetone cold? I don't know the brands that are taking longer for you now.
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03-11-2012, 06:43 PM
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>Are you priming, using a thicker layer, adding layers like a fill instead of soaking each time, is your acetone cold? I don't know the brands that are taking longer for you now.

Thanks for the thougts.

I only prime the very tip of the fe and I am very concious about not putting on a lot so it doesn't flow up the plate more than needed. I buff the top coat.

I'm beginning to suspect my base layer is thick because today as I remove a french (EOCC), after I wrapped and plastic gloved, I placted the finger tips in a bowl of warm sand. By the time I had returned to the right pinky to see what was happening (yeah I peaked), well the tc, pink, and white were curled up/off in one peice. The base was smooth and shiney.

I wrapped it up again (twice). When I began to push it off with my ow stick, some of it was still on very well. I wrapped them all again with the same cotton ball with a little more acetone. After that more came off, but there were shiney patches here and there on the nail plates.

I don't like to buff anything but had to knock the shine off and do my prep because I was falling behind.

I still was not stisfied with the way the base came off. I love EOCC, not gonna give it up because it wears so w e l l.

Me and Shellac parted ways about 10 months ago, I just got a dz Gelish colors and picked up a couple each of the newer IBD and EZ flow gp. The shop bought the OPI Gelcolor kit and a six more colors, but the only thing I liked was the light.

The light? Idea Now that I'm thinking about all this, I used the OPI LED light set at 30 secs. for each coat. My clients even set it on 30 sec. for me if someone else has changed the timer.

I know the base only needs 10 secs. Would that make that much of a difference in the base bonding so tightly?

Well I will see this week when I go back to a 10 sec. cure for the base. I will have to resort back to using my Harmony 4 finger cure light that has the 10 sec. setting.

Argh!Blush Sorry guys for answering my own post!

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03-11-2012, 07:31 PM
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Heck yeah, over-curing the base. I didn't even suggest that, but yes that will make a difference in removal time.
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03-12-2012, 12:54 AM
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I doubt that curing a short time longer like 30 sec vs. 10 would cause it to bond so much more like that. Not like you had their hand in the light for 5 minutes. If you are using a really sheer color, as you cure each other layer, i'm sure some light is getting through to the base anyway, thus additional curing. Doug Schoon even talked about the overcuring thing on a Nailtalk radio episide not too long ago when he was on.

The only time I have ever had this happen was when experimenting with using different basecoats from my color coats - Like when I used Gelish base and top coat but an Orly Gel FX color. I bought one Orly color to try, but didn't want to buy the base/top just to try out one color. The color layers came right off in huge pieces, but the basecoat didn't come off and I had the same trouble trying to get it off.

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03-12-2012, 01:16 AM
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I hate to say it, but yes, curing for an extra 20 seconds can make it harder. It's LED. That 20 sec is a full 2 cures longer for the product. It would be like leaving a 2 min base in the UV light for 6 min.
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03-12-2012, 09:39 PM
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(03-12-2012 01:16 AM)sobeit Wrote:  I hate to say it, but yes, curing for an extra 20 seconds can make it harder. It's LED. That 20 sec is a full 2 cures longer for the product. It would be like leaving a 2 min base in the UV light for 6 min.

So what happens to the base if you are doing a manicure with say, Gelish Simple Sheer, which is virtually clear? Light is obviously going to reach the basecoat as well.

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03-12-2012, 10:19 PM
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It's still getting 3 full cure cycles for just the base. And over curing can make it more difficult to soak off. According to the troubleshooting of most companies. There is a reason for the times. It's no big deal to go over a little on the time. But it can make it harder to get off if your curing it @ 3 times the length. That's all. Please don't take me saying, "over curing can be the cause", as me saying, it is, without a doubt, the reason why. It's a thought. Over cure can be an issue. Is it "the" issue here? Don't know.
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03-12-2012, 10:35 PM
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(03-11-2012 06:43 PM)enhanced Wrote:  >Are you priming, using a thicker layer, adding layers like a fill instead of soaking each time, is your acetone cold? I don't know the brands that are taking longer for you now.

Thanks for the thougts.

I only prime the very tip of the fe and I am very concious about not putting on a lot so it doesn't flow up the plate more than needed. I buff the top coat.

Well, I can say for Gelish, that over curing the base will increase the soak time, but not that much.

What I think may be happening is when you apply your (non-acid?) primer on the free edge, you are working the primer on the whole nail when you apply the base coat. If you start your application by sealing the free edge, you can achieve the same thing with out increasing the adhesion so much that you have problems removing.

Can you maybe try omitting primer on your more 'easy wearing' clients?

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03-15-2012, 07:39 PM
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Hi Jesse

I will try to omit the primer on some and seal the free edge on other to see what works.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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03-15-2012, 10:10 PM
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(03-15-2012 07:39 PM)enhanced Wrote:  Hi Jesse

I will try to omit the primer on some and seal the free edge on other to see what works.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Enhance

No, omit the primer on some, and seal the free edge (with Foundation, at least one color coat and top coat) on everyone. To make removal easier, shorten the free edge a little before you wrap to break the seal.

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03-19-2012, 10:44 AM
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Thanks again, I appreciate your input Jesse!
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