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6 Degree's Mani and Pedi Scene Did You See it Last Night????
#1
Did y'all see that new show last night on ABC '6 Degree's'

(As a disclaimer: my intent here is not to bash anyone or any group of people nor is this an invitation for anyone to do so in this thread :wink: .)

WELL there was a scene where 2 woman were in a nail salon. One already in the pedi throne and one just sitting down. The one just sitting down said to the nail tech that she needed a mani and pedi. The nail tech said, 'You pick color' she looked at the hand of the woman next to her and asked what color it was and she said she mixed 2 colors...one of the colors names I recognized as and Essie color Ballet Slippers. So the first girl said she'd have that too. THEN the tech told her her cuticles were DRY AND NEEDED CUTTING. The woman said I know they are dry but just push them back...NO CUTTING. The second woman said, I don't like cutting either it HURTS AND IT'S GROSS! OMG! Confusedhock: IT HURTS AND IT'S GROSS! I have to say it was the first time I have ever seen on TV anyone saying anything negative about the practices of some salons.

I am not posting this to start an NSS discussion or a race discussion. I'm only posting this because how many times during our normal day do we hear from our clients that they went someplace and it hurt??? I was just so surprised to see it on TV is all.

I'm not sure if I thought it was a good thing the show did this or a bad thing. I'm just so amazed that the 'hurting' issue has now made it's way into night time TV!

I actually heard myself saying to the woman on TV....run get out of there if you are scared you will be hurt! :cry:

Again, this is not an open invitation to bash anyone group of people in anyway, but simply to point out that I'm amazed that this issue is now on TV and I guess in a way I find it sad. :?

I tell all my clients that it is my goal to make every service a peaceful and pleasant one and if in anyway they are uncomfortable I need to know so that I can correct the situation.
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#2
Quote:(As a disclaimer: my intent here is not to bash anyone or any group of people nor is this an invitation for anyone to do so in this thread .)


Janice....Your lawyer is going to be busy isn't he? LOL. :wink:

I wish I'd caught that show!
#3
LOL yea poor guy bet he wishes he never met me huh? :lol:
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#4
It always amazes me when new people come in and ask "is this going to hurt?"
#5
Oh I couldn't agree more! I just did a pedi on a girl today who told me that this was the first time she had a pedi and it didn't hurt!

Also one of the girls at the bank I used to work with refuses to let me do a pedi for her cuz she had ONE and only ONE pedi and left the place with her heal bleeding. She said she was cut in the begining of the service and was still bleeding when she left the place. She is no scared to death to let anyone touch her feet. Poor thing. I'm working on her though. I'm trying to get her in to just let me polish her toes....sort of ease her into things.

A pedicure is supposed to be a treat, a luxury. Not painful like having your eyebrows waxed or worse a tooth pulled! :roll:
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#6
Quote:A pedicure is supposed to be a treat, a luxury. Not painful like having your eyebrows waxed

OMG!! Confusedhock: It hurts to get your eyebrows waxed? You are so going to the wrong waxer.. Come let me do them.

Any waxing is also a luxury and should be little to NO pain! :!:

Sorry. I know it's off topic.. but just another one of those things that tweak me b/c it should NOT hurt :evil:
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#7
I'm sure you are a good 'waxer' Hope but I'm a HUGE Baby! :oops:
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#8
Hope

So its not supposed to hurt to wax the face- I screamed like a baby the 1st time i did it. It still hurts like a b*t*h. Our cosmo that does all the skincare goes overboard sometimes and waxes twice on the same spot and then I have big scabs on my face. Nice huh? Looks like carpet burns. She started using a different wax for more sensitive skin, and that has helped some. Thank god it happened twice and not anymore. I cant imagine what a brazilian must feel like...
#9
I didn't think you were 'supposed to' wax over the same spot. Thought it was a one shot deal short of thing.
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#10
I had my bikini area waxed for over two years. In the beginning she told me that it would get easier and less painful over time. Never did. I would take Advil before going and make sure I didn't drink any caffeine since I was told it made the skin more sensitive. Nothing worked. I think I have a pretty high pain tolerance and it still hurt. I finally decided to get laser hair removal. The initial up-front cost was more than waxing but within about 9 months I had virtually no hair growing back in both my bikini area and underarms and it was WAY less painful. In fact, I didn't think the laser hurt hardly at all and she could do both areas in less than a half hour.
Michele


jennie :
> Hope
>
> So its not supposed to hurt to wax the face- I screamed like a baby the 1st
> time i did it. It still hurts like a b*t*h. Our cosmo that does all the skincare
> goes overboard sometimes and waxes twice on the same spot and then I have big
> scabs on my face. Nice huh? Looks like carpet burns. She started using a different
> wax for more sensitive skin, and that has helped some. Thank god it happened
> twice and not anymore. I cant imagine what a brazilian must feel like...
#11
Wow this is hilarious Smile

In reference to the Nail scene- I think what is really sad is how we are viewed by the media- On TV, in movies, in the news, you only see NSS salons. I have never myself seen anything else. I think its a hideous stereotype- the only time I have ever seen another "type" of nail tech is the character you see in movies like "Legally Blonde," some trashy lady with tacky style and not alot of common sense in bad personal situations.

LETS WORK TO CHANGE THAT STEREOTYPE TECHS!

And about the waxing... Yah, it hurts, but if its done right, and often, its not AS bad later Smile Advil is a smart choice Smile
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#12
Mood: Frustrated with stereotypes and not in any shape, form or fashion intentionally bashing, insulting or having any negative reaction except to the topic at hand. Tongue

Ok First the nails
They do this negativity portrayal b/c they are uneducated or stupid (or just stupid) The "Madge the Manicurist" image is more exciting than someone being "Professional" in a series or OH MY a movie! Now the other one, I can't even imagine why they would have done that unless they had a bad experience and just wanted to take a "jab" at us. :evil:


Now the waxing!
It's yet another stereotype. :cry: Waxing is a technique. You either hurt or you don't. The waxing industry got a bad rep (it was a hilarious scene in the movie but) with the movie "The 40 year old Virgin" What happened in that scene would NEVER have happened in MY room. His hair would have been trimmed down and then prepped & waxed. BUT.... that would NOT have been FUNNY!! :x

If you know what you are doing, go to classes.. etc.. you will learn the proper way to keep the pain level down. Ex... pulling the strip as close to the skin as possible, not straight up, pulling the skin taut so that your skin doesn't lift when they pull the strip, using too hot of a wax, burns are BAD!!!! waxing over the same spot more than once is a NO-NO!! SCABS!!!
:evil: OMG!! HELL NO!!!! Never acceptable. Never wax the week before or the week of your cycle. Your pain threshold is 1/2 of what it normally is due to the hormones.

We get bad reps from techs that are not doing things properly. *I* as a waxer with a license and several years of education under my belt, get those same bad reps. Uneducated people should NOT wax! Just because they have a license does not say that they know what they are doing.

As a waxer, I could tell you horror stories that would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up and send you running to worship the porcelain god. Confusedhock:

There are stereotypes in all aspects of our industry in the eyes of the media. Unfortunately we can't control it. Just educate our clients one at a time. It will eventually work!

Quote:And about the waxing... Yah, it hurts, but if its done right, and often, its not AS bad later Advil is a smart choice
That is so true Heather

Quote:I had my bikini area waxed for over two years. In the beginning she told me that it would get easier and less painful over time. Never did

I am so sorry to hear that Michele

Quote:So its not supposed to hurt to wax the face- I screamed like a baby the 1st time i did it. It still hurts like a b*t*h . Our cosmo that does all the skincare goes overboard sometimes and waxes twice on the same spot and then I have big scabs on my face

Jennie, This is what BURNS me up!!! IF the Cosmo has NOT been to a FULL Esthetics class and I don't mean Cosmo school, I mean a FULL Esthetics class, wax in the hands of uneducated people is DANGEROUS!!!
AND as far as the SkinCare.. what the he!! Does she have any clue what she is doing? You can TRASH someone's skin just as easily with an educated person as easily as you can with a wax spatula and HOT wax b/c they have a license to do it, does not mean they know what they are doing. :twisted:

Quote:Looks like carpet burns. She started using a different wax for more sensitive skin, and that has helped some.

Again, it is a technique.. wax in the hands of uneducated people is the same as an efile in the hands of an uneducated person.

Quote: I cant imagine what a Brazilian must feel like...
Again, technique and a good hard wax! My book is filling with Brazilians ( male & female)

Quote:I'm sure you are a good 'waxer' Hope but I'm a HUGE Baby!

That's ok honey!! If you ever need a "babysitter", come see me!! Tongue

Thanks for letting me vent! Smile
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#13
Good vent Hope. Love the disclaimer.... :wink:

So tell me how far are you from me? I live in Ocean Springs Mississippi which is on the Gulf Coast. Pensecola is about an hour and a half maybe 2 hours from me. How far you are? I ask cuz if you are close enough I might have to come see you for some waxing.
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#14
Hope - you must have had a really good teacher when taking the waxing course. And I know you continue your education, which is great.

The idiot that taught waxing in my school decided one day to teach the girls to wax underarms. One poor girl volunteered to get hers done, thinking the teacher knew what she was doing. BIG MISTAKE! The teacher did not get all the hair off on the first OR second try, so she waxed that poor girls' underarms over and over. The next day the girl came to school and could not move her arms at all she was so sore. She had to sit with her arms out to her side. and she couldnt wear deodorant for about a week and 1/2. She showed us her underarms and the skin was as raw as a peice of freshly butchered beef. Confusedhock:

This wasn't a cosmetology class, this was the waxing class. The class where you had to pay extra to learn how to do it "the right way". :?
#15
OMG! Confusedhock:
I learned how to wax from a lady years ago who did waxing. I also relearned it in beauty school. I learned all about how to keep the pain down and how to pull the strip off close to the skin and to apply pressure after pulling the strip off. Also learned not to re wax EVER. They tell me I'm a decent waxer BUT I'm a baby and I feel the pain. I tried to wax my toes the other day and I was so nervous I ended up with a big ole glob of wax on my toe and never did get the hair removed! LOL! I'm pittiful when it comes to waxing myself or being waxed! Pittiful! :oops:

Oh and about the 'class' you paid for...how much did you pay? I guess you did learn something. You learned what NOT to do huh?! :wink:
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Janice,
I (thankfully) didn't take the waxing class. Some of the girls from my nail class were also in the waxing class and they had to pay extra for it. I forget how much it was, but the school really pushed you to take it. Glad I didn't waste my money!
#17
I bet they paid close to $100 for the class. Some Beauty Schools offer 'special classes' which are always....ummm C*R*A*P! :roll:

I'm always amazed Confusedhock: at what schools do and don't do! Maybe one day I'll get my license and open me up a school!

I think in so many ways Beauty Schools contribute to the stereotype issue! :x I had one really good instructor in school. She was old as the hills and she was very dedicated to the beauty business. She was a professional. She took her teaching very seriously. She dressed nicely every single day and stressed the importance of professionalism. :wink:

To me she was so impressive. So professional that I have always tried to pattern myself after her. I learned so much from her. Not just how to do hair and nails but how to be proud of my chosen profession and not to fall into the stereotypes!

She was awesome!
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#18
Well, I can honestly say I too was scared to death of being waxed! But when I started working with Hope and she got rid of my razor Sad I really didn't have much choice! Well, good things can really surprise you! Hope did my armpits, legs AND Brazilian - BIG SHOCK! There was NO pain! A little tenderness in a couple spots and that was it! Shockingly, right near my ankle was the tender part NO WHERE ELSE! I am so glad I did it!!!! Big Grin So much easier than being the slave to the razor every day!!!

We've all had clients that have been hurt, as professionals it's our job to educate them and make them feel better about our profession! Only together can we change these perceptions and I know we can do this!
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#19
I must agree with Hope, if ya don't know what you are doing - DON'T!!! I have had so many bad waxing experiences in the past, like my armpits- couldn't lower my arms for 2 days!

I am trained from cosmo for waxing, although I only have a nail license now. I do all of my own waxing, and some friends of mine (they say I don't hurt themWink)mostly just my brows (can't have anyone else be near my eyes, my son poked me in the eye with his fingernail and I was legally blind for a while, missed a few days of work)

My spa wants me to be a guinea pig for the new skincare techs to practice Brazilian on me, maybe I'll be over my phobias by then but for now, heck no!!
Experience is something you don't get until after you need it.
#20
I just watched an episode of Laguna Beach on MTV (yeah, I know, I know, but I cant help it!)...anyway the girls on the show are always going to get their nails done at what looks like the local NSS (all the techs wear masks as they work). As one girl was sitting there the tech was coming at her with the efile and the girl screeched and said "OOOHHHH this is gonna hurt!" Sadly enough, they are stupid enough to keep going back to the same place.

If you have never seen the show, it is a reality TV show about the rich kids living in the O.C. I just wonder why these rich kids dont go someplace nice and ritzy to get their nails done. :?
#21
I watch Laguna beach sometimes with my son. Ialways wondered about the nail salon thing too. Most of these girls drive high end cars, but go get their $15 pedi. You cant tell me there are not any high end nail salons there. Bottom line, people just dont get the dangers, they expect the pain, unless someone spells everything out to them or they get a nasty infection. I think these places are so accesible and ready to get your business , in and out, instead of taking appt. like most of us. A lot of people just dont want to take the time and find a good nail tech. I dont want cheap people sitting in my chair anyway, so the NSS can have em'!
#22
I'm not sure if they're cheap or just uneducated. I'd rather they sat in my chair at least once so I can instill the fear of NSS's into them. Big Grin

If after that they dont come back, then we can deem them CHEAP!
#23
E-files make very fine dust that floats in the air for a while. Wearing a dust mask helps to keep from breathing in the fine dust particles in ones breathing zone. Its just added protection for the lungs since (no one) needs to breath in all that dust made when filing artificial nails.

I always wear one and will offer my clients one as well.

The image of Madge the Manicurist is what the media has of nailtechs. Sadly this "image" continues to be perpetuated by many nails techs today.

I think its a personal thing when the techs doesn't want to improve her/his total image. Some of the techs I work with never had any training aside from when they graduated from beauty school. It really shows in their appearance, their nail technology conversation, as well as the way they keep their work area.

You can't make techs get more education, they have to want to get it to improve themselves professionally.

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#24
Quote:You can't make techs get more education, they have to want to get it to improve themselves professionally.

I was actually referring to educating the customers. I like to educate them and love to hear/see their reactions to stuff they had no idea about. Big Grin
#25
Colleen, I understood what your post was about.

What I was referring to was what Hope wrote:
Quote:Mood: Frustrated with stereotypes

There are a number of techs who do not continue their education after finishing beauty school. These techs claim to be educating their clients, but with information/practices that are outdated or recommend (old wives tales) information to correct nail related issues.

The clients I've seen, who have gone to techs who work in other upscale and discount salons as well as every type of salon in between - repeat similar comments: the other tech said or did this or that. The "edcuational experience" given to clients is so inconsistant with other techs.

I don't see Jane Public as being a cheap client. I see her as not placing more value on nail services because she does not see a difference between services being performed in upscale, discount, or NSS shops. That perception is not exclusive to what you or I consider NSS - its an industry wide issue. There are techs in each one of these shops who can hurt the client, give a bad service, or don't practice good sanitary habits. I understand why Jane Public is confused.

Yes, the media does love to portray nailtechs as the "joke" of the beauty industry. These type of comments continue to make all of us have the same stereotyped image as Madge the Manicurist. This is just what the media uses to make their point.

To change this perception is a slow on going process.

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